Would we be running everything with the sun by now?
@Tina Turner bombing a country is going to war with them. Are you saying 911 was not a act of war because there was no ground troops? Libya was a French lead war and they do have oil interests in Libya.
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December 11th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Obama doesn’t have wars for oil (and neither did Bush so say nothing libtards). And we wouldn’t because it’s still way too expensive.
December 11th, 2011 at 11:39 am
No. Alternative forms of energy are a nice thought, but they’re not practical. Do you have any idea how many windmills are required just to power a small-sized city?
December 11th, 2011 at 11:44 am
The govt shouldn’t be funding either…It isn’t the role of govt to establish democracy in foreign lands OR to conduct scientific research.
December 11th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Bush did dat not Obama
December 11th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
What wars for oil?
We don’t get our oil from Libya. And we didn’t go to war with Libya.
Your question fails on many levels.
@ Tringle……That’s right. Bombing did not occur on “the country”. We took out Ghadafi’s air power so the rebels had a level playing field. That’s different than attacking a country OR it’s leader directly. Too bad Bush didn’t think of that. We could have saved thousands of American soldiers and hundreds of billions of dollars. Europe countries may have been helped by Libyan oil, but not the U.S……hence not “Obama’s war for oil” as you claim.
Again, even with more explanations, your question fails. Because it’s really your own biased hatred disguised in the form of a question anyhow. So let’s call it what it is….a right wing propaganda lie.
And yes, 9/11 was not an act of war, but an attack by a terrorist organization. A war is between countries. World war 1, WW2, Vietnam, etc…..all COUNTRIES. No one claimed it was war when the World Trade Center was attacked the first time….why not?
December 11th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
then the government would create a solar energy bubble just like they did with the housing bubble and the soon to pop college bubble.
December 11th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Why……because
======> “A U.S. conversation group has sued the federal government over its approval of a major solar power plant in the California desert, the latest in a string of challenges to the nation’s renewable energy goals from the environmental community.”
http://forums.cnet.com/7723-6130_102-514125.html
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/green-group-sues-to-stop-solar-plant
YOU CAN’T PLEASE THESE HYPOCRITICAL MORONS.
Save the ozone layer, sue to have MTBE’s in auto fuel. OH CRAP….sue to remove MTBE’s because run off kills fish. Sue to have stop hydro electric dams built, it kills the fish. OH CRAP…..sue to stop fish ladders because it stresses the migration. Sue to stop cell phones because they cause cancer. OH CRAP…..sue to limit cell phone towers because they kill birds. Sue to start smart electric meters to reduce electric consumption……OH CRAP sue to stop electric generating wind farms because they kill birds. Sue to evict 4th generation property owners who lost everything to save 1 spotted owl located on the 100 acre property. 100 acres per owl, families can go into a hotel with food stamps. Oh well.
December 11th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
What if the Republicans would not have sold our technology to other country’s to make a buck we would be far advanced compared to the rest of the world.
December 11th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
You have a typo in your question.
You meant Bush’s wars for oil.
December 11th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
Jimmy Carter tried that, see link below
December 11th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Spending money on useful things like research is frowned upon. Meanwhile, bombing brown people really makes us feel good about ourselves.
December 11th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Based on your question I have no doubt that you will be surprised to learn that the Government doesn’t spend this kind of money on research. It is the private sector which is responsible for our greatest advances.And it is the oil corps who are putting the big bucks into solar research. A person would have to be blind and stupid to think that oil corps are only involved in oil.
December 11th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
That will Never work. There is No way to provide the energy we need from solar power.
The Trillions would be wasted and we would still suffer from energy shortages.
Go Nuclear.
December 11th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
Private companies have actually outlined plans to use up like 200 miles of the South Western deserts in America.
Would be enough energy to power every single house in America, effectively, cheap, and it’s renewable.
What did the government do? They said NOPE. And people have the gall to claim America has a free market.
Private companies have proposed that California could solve it’s energy problems by building geothermal reactors all over the state. California is an ideal place for Geothermal energy, because they have plenty of fault lines and that’s where Geothermal reactors are most effective.
Could heat and cool every single house in California cheaply, and effectively. Easing the burden off the tax payer significantly, while also being reliable and cheap. What did the US government do? Shut it down, and people have the gall to claim we have a free market.
A recent discovery from some private company in the New England area found a way to power cars with ethanol and manure, safely. It’s been about 6 months now and I haven’t heard a single thing about it since. The government probably shut them down too.
South Eastern America could utilize coal and biofuel, since the South has plenty of coal mines and cattle farms. The West Coast could be powered by Geothermal and solar energy.
But the Federal government won’t let these companies pursue alternate technologies. And people have the gall to say America’s market is free… America’s market is FAR from free. The oil lobby is so powerful in Washington that the only free energy market is for Oil. Hell even Nuclear Reactors are hard to get up and running with out the lobby fodder in Washington putting in their two-cents.
America could be energy efficient right now and independent. But the oil companies and the international bankers, and stockholders that invest in crude oil would lose a lot of profit.
December 11th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Obama doesn’t have wars for oil, and he doesn’t no matter how much you want him to.
December 11th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
LOL! How did these become Obama’s wars for oil? Have you forgotten who started them?
December 11th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
The only war that was even partially about oil was the Gulf War (’91) and that was to insure that Saddam Hussein didn’t cut off the supply. This tired accusation of oil is just a cheap dismissal of not having to deal with the real issues of the wars or inventing sinister intent purely because it resonates with what some people would like to believe.
Throwing money at a problem doesn’t solve it, especially TAXPAYER money. That being said, R&D is important, but propping up a technology, with limited application, with government subsidies is wasteful. The private sector can be used to supply R&D funding with much more quantities of cash and gets the government out of it. Regardless, the idea that, in just two and a half years, solar technology could advance so much from it’s current paltry level that it could out do the power of fossil fuels is naive.
December 11th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
Only so much money can be thrown at any given research topic, there is a point of diminishing returns. However, you are right in saying that the wars cost a lot of money.
I was personally against even Afghanistan, but I’ll give Bush a pass for that as it seems to have been what Americans wanted at the time.
Iraq was just plain wrong. Maybe it was a terrible place, but so are a lot of places in the world, like Somalia. The pretense for going in was very weak.
The above two are the expensive tickets. I’m not even going to count Libya, as that was downright economical in comparison.
Let’s say the wars cost $2 trillion. That’s 2 x 10^12 dollars. 100 million households in the US, or 10^8. Doing the division, that’s $20k for every home in the US, enough to give a free grid-tied solar system to every family. It wouldn’t be practical to do that for a number of reasons, including technological (the existing grid would not withstand that much solar connected in most places), but I’m just illustrating the magnitude of the number.
Are these Obama’s wars? He inherited them, and he is now commander-in-chief. I think he made close to an optimal decision, considering the tiger we had by the tail. To withdraw suddenly would mean chaos and possibly war which would inflame the whole region, and a blow to our economy besides. Obama did get us on track to get out of Iraq, so he was directionally correct in my book.
December 11th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
Unemployment would be a record lows, every government building would have solar power, reducing our nation’s overhead and emissions, electric cars would be more prevolent, ect.
In general, the world would be a better place.
Obama continued the wars and DID NOT create more jobs, instead he fed the banks with mandatory insurance (banks own insurance companies) and further eroded the skills of our working class by extending unemployment to 99 weeks!
Since I was 16, I haven’t gone more than 2 months without a job.